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Yay porn
Sooooo, the deal with this is that I have been writing it for like a year, and I don't really know if it's good or if I shouldn't just quit, but I actually think the later chapters are somewhat better, if you don't quit the fandom by the time I actually get there. And by you I mean you, the South Park gay porn reader. And no one gives a shit about anything I write, really, so I might as well post this while I'm bored and putting off doing my homework.

It's kind of an experiment in writing a fic not comprised of 15,000-word chapters.

Anyway, buckle in, because it's time for:

Title: Fake Hipsters (1/?)
Author: [info]sekrit_omg 
Rating:
R
Pairing: S/K; others are a surprise
Summary:  You can take Stan out of South Park, but you can't take the South Park out of Stan.


It was going to be the warmest Christmas break in his memory, but Stan was still pissed. His flight to Denver was only delayed by four hours. “That’s what you get for flying back on Christmas Eve,” his mother told him over the phone. This pissed Stan off, and he regretted calling his mother to pass the time. He was the sort of person who couldn’t wait at airports without draining the battery on his phone, and he’d already burned through half of his friends.

So he paced up and down the terminal, listening to Postal Service songs on his iPod nano, which was an early Christmas gift from Loren. It came preloaded with a few different playlists, which struck Stan as annoying, because what if he didn’t want the stupid iPod? What if he’d like to return it and apply the $200 to a new MacBook? And it was blue, which was hideous, and when he’d opened it and kind of gaped stupidly because he didn’t know what to say, Loren had smiled a very puerile smile and exclaimed, “Just like your eyes!” And topping off the nauseous upset of this situation was the engraving scratched into the back, Happy Xmas Baby! <3 Loren. Stan ran his fingers over it as he trudged past gate K14 … K12 … K10 … down to gate K2, and then he spun around and headed back past K4, K6 … all the way back to K14. He had been doing this on repeat since he shut the phone on his mother 40 minutes ago.

As he walked by another McDonalds, he felt a man jab him in the shoulder. Stan pulled out his little earphones in a daze and said, “Excuse me?”

“Your phone,” the guy clarified. “I think your phone is ringing.”

Indeed, his phone was ringing, or rather it was mooing, so he nodded at the man in thanks and slipped the thing out of his pocket, not looking at the caller because he didn’t have a screen on the front, and assumed it was his mother calling him back to hassle him about hanging up on her.

“What?” he said shortly, trying to dodge a stroller that was coming straight at him.

“Dude,” a voice drawled. “Where the hell are you?”

“Kyle!” Stan cried out in surprise. “Oh my god, my flight is so delayed. I’ve been at the fucking airport for like three hours.”

“Sad,” Kyle replied. “Why didn’t you leave or something?”

“I don’t know, I figured I could wait it out.” Stan sighed. “How wrong I was.”

“What have you been doing?”

“Wandering around the terminal. Went to Starbucks. Used the bathroom a couple of times.”

“I was wondering what kind of action you could get at the Chicago airport.”

“No, not like that. Who do you think I am?”

“It’s perfectly innocent.”

“Yeah, until they arrest you,” Stan pointed out. “I don’t go looking for anonymous sex.”

“Whatever.”

“Did you call for a reason or something?”

“Actually, yes,” Kyle replied.  “What are you doing on Saturday night?”

“I don’t know,” Stan admitted.  “That’s the day after Christmas. What are you doing?”

“That same thing you’re doing.”

“And that would be…”

“Going to Butters’ party,” Kyle said firmly. “We are going to Butters’ party.”

“Butters is not having a party,” Stan scoffed. He paused. “Wow, I never thought I’d say ‘Butters’ and ‘party’ in the same sentence, but here we are.”

“Yeah, no, he’s having the whole grade. Cartman talked him into it.”

“Bullshit. I thought Butters was over Cartman.”

“Well, you know.” Kyle paused. He cleared his throat. “You can never really just get over someone.”

Stan swallowed hard and began to sweat. “Oh, dude,” he lied quickly. “My flight is boarding now.”

“Do you still want me to pick you up from the airpo—”

“No, it’s fine,” Stan babbled. “My dad can do it, it’s fine.”

“But Stan, I like—”

“See you in two days,” Stan spat out. “Bye now.”

He could still hear Kyle saying, “Stan,” as he flipped the phone shut.

Collapsing into a chair at the nearest gate, Stan pocketed his phone, and shook his head. He took the iPod back out and resumed the song he’d been listening to on Loren’s Christmas Break playlist. All last night, the only thing he’d heard was, “Oh, baby, I’ll miss you. You’ll call me every day, right? I don’t know if I can survive a month without you.” Stan snorted at the memory, because it was ludicrous — Stan spent all of finals week bracing himself, getting ready to dump like he’d never dumped before, and then just as he was getting ready to lower the knife, bam, iPod. Stan felt so sheepishly stupid following this that all he could do was pretend that his gift was on its way. Then, instead of going back to his apartment to pack, he somehow got talked into staying over to watch The Daily Show, then Colbert, then before he knew it, Stan was taking his pants off and getting into bed with someone he’d wanted to dump for the past four months. So what if I can’t stand him? Stan asked himself as Loren was taking his usual post-coital piss. He’s so fucking hot. And he was.

But he just wasn’t Kyle.

~

On December 26 of his senior year of college, Stan found himself holed up in his bedroom, getting ready to go out. Since running away to Chicago — the suburbs, anyway — to pursue a degree in journalism, Stan had been back every summer and Christmas since he went away. When he came home, he felt like things had never changed — same friendly faces, same shitty identical houses, same never-melting blanket of virgin snow.

But it would all be over soon. After May — after graduation — Stan doubted he’d return to South Park often, let alone permanently. Sure, there would always be Thanksgiving and Christmas (Thanksgiving or Christmas, he reminded himself).  But he was young, he was hip, he was (hopefully by the time graduation rolled around going to be) single. Why the fuck would he bother spending the rest of his life sitting around this mountain town for idiots, watching his parents get old and his friends get wasted? There were so many more people to watch get wasted everywhere else.

As he shut the door and started off down the road, he reminded himself of the answer: Kyle. How many times had he walked across town to Kyle’s house, which was not very far at all? Even if he hadn’t done it at all in the past four months, he was doing it now, and it felt normal. Regular. Right. It was like he had just done it the day before, and the day before that. But he knew there would come a time when he never did it. Would there be a time when he never saw Kyle at all? Stan didn’t like to think about it, hoped there wouldn’t be. But it was feeling more and more likely.

Loren had begged Stan not to go home for break, and for a brief time Stan had been considering that maybe Loren was right — well, right that he shouldn’t go home, not right that he should stay at school with Loren. The boys at Northwestern were smarter, thinner, had better hair, gave better blow jobs. The parties were shorter, had better booze, better music, better conversation. But Stan was romantic; he had ideas about missions that needed completion, and there was a very real fear in his heart that perhaps he would never see Kyle again. So he had decided, back in October, when he was sitting in front of his greasy, fingerprinted white Macintosh, fiddling around on Orbitz, that despite Loren’s suggestions, he had to go home again. Not for his mother, or his father, or for Cartman or Kenny or Butters. Only for Kyle, and for that fact that he’d been cradling his confession for too long.

So he was home now — walking to Kyle’s house, brushing shaggy hair out of his eyes every few minutes. It was snowy, sure, but it was only 30 degrees out, which was practically spring-like.  Unlike in high school, when his baggy jeans would become soaked from the bottoms up, he was impervious to snow in his black, skinny pants. It was his thin-soled, canvas sneakers that were saturated, and Stan regretted that unlike down on the suburban campus streets, there was no organized shoveling in South Park.  He had been awkward then, less confident and somehow so much older in a way. Stan figured that if this night was to be the last impression he left on South Park, he had better make it a good one. So he’d thrown on his most tailored blazer and his most ironic T-shirt, his skinniest jeans and his rattiest scarf. When he was syndicated, they could remember him as a sophisticated urbanite, rather than the overly sensitive closet-case kid who cried at graduation in a gray suit that didn’t fit.

The Broflovskis’ driveway was shoveled, and if Stan had driven he might have given a shit about that, but his shoes were already wetter than he remembered them being in recent memory. He rang the doorbell, and then he waited patiently, one minute and two, before the door flew open.

“Hi,” Kyle said glumly. He was wearing a pair of cat’s eye sunglasses, which he slipped up into his ratty mess of red hair. “I have bad news.”

“What, no hello?” Stan replied with disappointment.

“Well, hi.” He lunged forward and grabbed Stan in an all-consuming embracing, intimate like a lover’s, but without a trace of sexual longing. “They’re making me bring him,” Kyle breathed into Stan’s ear.

Stan nodded into Kyle’s neck, and withdrew. “It won’t be so bad,” he reasoned. “He’s like what now, 18?”

“Fifteen,” Kyle corrected. “He’s barely in high school.” Kyle pulled Stan across the threshold and slammed the door shut. “I’m graduating in June, dude! I hardly need to be babysat. It’s an insult!”

Stan nodded in agreement, not because he didn’t agree that Kyle needed to be very carefully monitored, but because he was suddenly miffed that Sheila (it was always Sheila, every last time) didn’t find him a suitable guardian for her precious wastrel of a son.

Kyle dragged Stan into the living room, where his mother was sitting on the couch resembling nothing more closely than an overgrown hen with a bouffant hairdo. Stan giggled into his sleeve, and Kyle gave him a glance of cautionary understanding. Mrs. Broflovski peeled herself off of the couch and buried her face in his chest.

Stanley,” she sighed. “A sight for sore eyes.”

“Sheila,” Stan said kindly, gently returning her greeting. “How are you?”

“Oh, I’m good, can’t complain. How is Northwestern?” She sat back down and made eyes at the seat next to her. Kyle gave his usually annoyed eye roll, and crossed his arms as Stan sat down.

“It’s good,” Stan said honestly. “I’ve got a residency at the Tribune next semester.”

“Ah,” she said knowingly, although Stan doubted she knew the paper or the meaning of a residency or what sort of work he’d had to do to get it. “Mazel tov.”

“You didn’t tell me that,” Kyle said.

“Well, I—”

Without waiting for an excuse, Kyle huffed and frowned and said, “Look, Ma, this isn’t catch-up time. We gotta go.”

“Kyle, bubbe, please,” his mother sighed in exasperation. “They won’t start the party without you.”

“Of course they won’t,” he replied. “Cartman wants Stan and me to help roll the keg in.”

“What a lazy ass,” Stan remarked, shifting on the couch.

“Did you eat?” Sheila asked her son.

“Yes, I had dinner.”

“Did you take your meds?” she pressed.

“Who do you think I am?” Kyle sneered in response.

“All of them?”

“I’m not fucking insane, you know,” Kyle said. He gave a short laugh, and sighed as he dragged himself out of the room. Stan, left alone with a woman who he had regularly sort of considered a prospective mother-in-law, began to fidget with his belt loops.

“Kyle says you’re dating someone.” Sheila tried to be casual, but Stan could clearly see the entrance to a lecture here.

“Yeah,” he said without enthusiasm. “Sure am.”

“Are you being safe and all?”

“Oh, you know me,” Stan said. “I know safety all right.”

“All it takes is one mistake, after all.”

If there was anything Stan ever wanted to say to Sheila Broflovski, aside from “Will you give me your son’s hand in marriage?” it was probably, “You know, I have a mother.” But being polite, or at least diplomatic, Stan said nothing except for, “Yes, of course,” and then he tensed, waiting for his friend to return. He hoped she didn’t cotton onto the fact that he was hiding things and lying through his teeth, not because he felt even moderately bad, but merely because he had no interest in hearing more lectures.

“You know,” she continued to blather, “Kyle missed you over Thanksgiving.”

“I missed him too.”

“We all wish we saw you more often, Stanley. I think it would do him some good if you spent more time with him.”

“I’d like that too,” Stan agreed amiably, checking his watch. It was 9 p.m.

“He always seems to have these episodes when you’re not around. Although I don’t blame you. He’s no fun to be around during these things, and this last one was a real bitch. I don’t blame you for keeping your distance.”

“No, it’s nothing like that, it’s—excuse me?”

“Kyle was hospitalized over Thanksgiving,” Sheila clarified. “You didn’t know?” Stan shook his head. “I would think he would have told you.”

“I’m so sorry,” Stan mumbled in his most sincere tone. “Is he all right?”

“He’s been worse,” she explained. “But he’s been better.”

“Oh,” Stan said, conclusive and miserably. “Poor Kyle.”

It was at this awkward juncture that Kyle stomped back into the room, trailed by what Stan initially thought was some kind of butch version of a gothic lolita. It took him a moment to register that this was not a girl, it was in fact Ike Broflovski, who was clad in tight black pants very similar to Stan’s, although his were outfitted with a wallet chain. His slick black hair was swept romantically across his face, and he seemed to be wearing eyeliner.

“Mom,” Ike sighed wearily. “Kyle won’t wear a coat.”

“I don’t need a fucking coat,” Kyle explained. “It’s hella warm out.”

“Warm enough to jump naked into Stark’s Pond I bet,” Ike mused.

“I bet!” Kyle replied. “Talk about pregaming!”

“No,” Sheila growled, getting up off the couch. She disappeared for a few moments, during which time Ike slumped against the living room wall, and Kyle mouthed something to Stan that he couldn’t make out.

Mrs. Broflovski returned, brandishing a hoodie. “Kyle,” his mother pleaded, holding out the sweatshirt. “You need a jacket, or a sweatshirt, or something! It’s what, 30 degrees out? Think about how cold you’ll be!”

“I’m not going to be cold, Ma,” Kyle argued. “I’m perfectly fine in a T-shirt.”

“Dude,” Stan said emphatically.

“Stop being a baby,” Ike suggested, “and just wear the fucking sweatshirt.”

Kyle squeezed his eyes shut and clenched his fists. “I’m not cold,” he insisted. “I’m not fucking cold and I don’t want to be hot! Godammit I’m a fucking senior in college and if I want to go out in fucking below zero without a fucking jacket it’s my right!”

“Kyle Broflovski,” Sheila hissed, grabbing him by the arm and beginning to twist it into a sleeve. “If you attempt to leave this house without a jacket you will not be leaving at all.”

Kyle held his head up defiantly as he let his mother dress him.

“There,” she said warmly, folding her arms. “Not so bad, hmm?”

“I hate you,” was Kyle’s bitter reply. He stormed out of the house, door slamming behind him.

“Remember what I told you, bubbe,” Sheila said to Ike, ignoring Stan for the moment. “If he gets out of control—”

“—straight home,” Ike filled in. He saluted his mother in jest. “Aye aye, captain lady.”

She pinched her son’s cheek and gave him a lipsticky kiss. “Have fun.”

“Please,” Ike sneered, ineffectively wiping his cheek. “If I wanted to have fun, I’d be out with Fillmore instead of trailing Calamity Jane to the kegger to make sure he doesn’t stick any forks in any electrical outlets.”

“You make damn sure he doesn’t.” But Ike was already out of the house when she finished this thought, so she turned her attention to Stan. “You have fun tonight,” she repeated for him. “We’re all glad you’re back.”

“I’m glad to be back,” Stan admitted. “There is no place like home.”

“How true,” she mused, before giving him a peck on the cheek as well.

Outside, the brothers were both smoking cigarettes, and Kyle was kicking the side of the house and repeating “dammit dammit dammit” over and over again. With his women’s sunglasses back on and his short stature, he looked like a girl. Ike smiled at Stan through his exhalation.

“Tell me you’re not smoking, like, Virginia Slims,” Stan sighed.

“They’re Ike’s,” Kyle muttered, giving the wall a final kick.

“Well, what are you smoking his fag cigarettes for?” Stan asked.

“Kyle doesn’t have any money,” Ike said smarmily. “He’ll smoke what I give him to smoke.”

“I see.” Stan put his hands in his pockets, and smiled when he felt an arm around his waist. He was no giant, but Kyle was tiny, and Stan felt good about sheltering his little body, lending him some protection. He wrapped an arm around Kyle’s shoulder.

“To Butters’?” Kyle asked.

“To Butters’,” Stan agreed. They set off into the night, Ike ambling after them.





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[info]animalboything
2009-03-24 02:21 am UTC (link)
I'll read it once I get my head on right.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-03-24 02:34 am UTC (link)
Aw, you don't have to. Unless you want to!

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[info]animalboything
2009-03-24 02:46 am UTC (link)
More than happy to. Just school's been eating my life away. Well, and a break up. And a player who's trying to one up me. But besides that.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-03-24 02:49 am UTC (link)
I know, I'm really sorry. I'm crazy shitty with replying to shit through this LJ account unless it's a reply to something I already wrote. I do read everything you post, though. (I would have volunteered to copy edit, too, but I know I'd never end up doing it until the semester's over.)

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[info]animalboything
2009-03-24 02:59 am UTC (link)
Oh dude, seriously no worries. I don't need people like replying all the time since well, I post far too much since I have no life outside of internet stuff.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-03-24 03:02 am UTC (link)
Yeah, but I have this general disconnect with everything that goes down on this account, like I read it and think, "That's awesome/horrible/scandalous" and then say nothing. Also, I also have no life. I'm surprised I've gotten used to it.

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[info]burnawayy
2009-03-24 03:18 am UTC (link)
OH MY GOD I JUST SENT A WHOLE REVIEW AND I ACCIDENTALLY DELTED IT. DID YOU GET IT? PLEASE TELL ME YOU DID.
THAT THING WAS LONG. FUCK.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-03-24 03:23 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I have it. Do you want me to send it back to you or something?

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[info]burnawayy
2009-03-24 03:27 am UTC (link)
Oh, no. As long as you know that I'm ashamed of that one crappy typo in it, I'm good.

Woah, that scared me.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-03-24 03:28 am UTC (link)
But how will I respond?

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[info]burnawayy
2009-03-24 03:30 am UTC (link)
Oh, right.

Yeah. Send it back.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-03-24 03:50 am UTC (link)
Aye aye!

E-mail.

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[info]burnawayy
2009-03-24 03:52 am UTC (link)
Sweet.

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[info]burnawayy
2009-03-24 03:56 am UTC (link)
I guess I'm supposed to repost it here, so...

When I started reading this, you automatically got me thinking of all the times flights I've had to go on have been delayed, and I was laughing, because it's one of the worst situations to get into. And that's really all you do, too. You hit up every Starbucks you can find, pee it all out, and then repeat the same process about twenty times. I feel bad for Stan, but it's pretty hilarious because the fight delay just had to happen to him.

I love all the intricate details you throw in that make the story all the more interesting. Stan's cell not having a front screen (what year did he fucking get that?),that he not only received an ipod, but a horribly repulsive blue one at that. The care taken in writing his attitude makes him unmistakeably Stan. You've got him down well, and that's awesome, because I love Stan the most.

Then you get more serious and I can still relate to this. I'll spare you, but I've basically been having awful anxiety lately because I just realized that after all this time looking for a way out, that I was leaving my best friend, and it completely sucks. I seriously told her she was the only reason worth staying in Jersey. I feel bad for Stan, because it totally sucks being stuck in the same shit place for years and years, and when you finally think you have everything figured out, there's something or someone that makes all the shittiness worthwhile. I don't know if that's what you had wanted to get across, but I interpreted it as such. Maybe it was just subconscious or something.

"When he was syndicated, they could remember him as a sophisticated urbanite, rather than the overly sensitive closet-case kid who cried at graduation in a gray suit that didn’t fit." Ughh, that was my favorite line in here. I fucking laughed at this. You were able to elicit laughter from me. Why are you so hilarious? (And why am I so crappy at reviewing? I feel like I've told you more about my life than reviewed)

Okay, you mentioned The Daily Show AND Colbert? Pop culture inside of pop culture. I'm loving it.

I like your representation of Ike in this, in the fact that he's still being characterized as a little shit, but he's still kind of smarter than Kyle in the sense that I think Sheila makes him out to be, and that's it.
I do feel bad for Kyle, though. It sucks to be so much more mature than everyone else, but you've got a few issues that make it seem like you're incapable of doing anything at all. I hope Sheila gets off his ass soon enough, and I hope Stan gets on it soon enough. Huh? Okay.
I like that you have Kyle smoking, too, because it seems like he's got all these health and emotional problems, but just ignores them and does bad shit anyway. Maybe that's the reason Sheila's so annoying.

This wasn't much of a review. It's more like I was just taking stuff and going, "Oh, I see where he's coming from with this.", but it was all done with love for you and your always phenomenal writing. Continue this soon!!
<333

PS. Post-coital piss. Lol.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-03-25 01:49 am UTC (link)
I hate delayed flights. I mean, it’s better than getting stuck somewhere, but some airports are absolutely horrible for this. I tend to walk up and down the terminal. Some airports have decent terminals. Actually, some places have airports I would voluntarily hang out in given the circumstances. For example, Heathrow. Heathrow is awesome. I would rather spend three hours there than, say, in a class on Greek architecture. You think I am kidding? I am not kidding.
Yeah, I waffled back and forth between giving Stan an douchey iPhone or giving him a really old shitty piece of crap. I think characterization-wise, the shitty phone is more consistent. Also, my friend pointed out to me that the iPhone is crazy expensive and he probably wouldn’t be able to afford one. But, wait, then again, I actually write this before the iPhone 2.0 came out and they were still like $499. Well, whatever. I’ve been sitting on this for a year, dude. Granted I’m still writing it, but … yeah. I think I love Stan the most too, by the way. I mean, I love them all, but Stan is way underrated.
See, I’m not saying I’m like the James Joyce of South Park fic or anything — although with the resolute shittiness of most things in the fandom lately I’m probably at least the Evelyn Waugh — but I think was makes a story like this, or really any story, at least halfway decent is that these are very common situations and emotions that we have all been through. That doesn’t make facing life changes and losing your best friend any less terrifying, but it makes it universally appealing as a story, maybe.

I think this is my favorite line in the chapter, too. Either this or Ike’s line about trailing Kyle to the party to make sure he doesn’t hurt himself. (Dude, don’t apologize. Please ramble about yourself. I’m glad my story could make you think about more than OMG when will they hook up?)

I hope my characterization of Kyle isn’t terrible in this story. That’s all I can really say about that. I like writing Ike, though, because he’s a completely blank slate. He could grow up to be anyone! Which is really exciting to me.

No no no no no, I am glad this resonates with you, and it works totally fine as a review. I’m just so happy you like it/said something. I feel absolutely fucking terrible about this, but I think I was completely traumatized when my British fic bombed. (I mean, there’s more of that coming, but dude. People hated that based on the amount of work I poured into it.) Thank you thank you thank you for your comment! (And for re-posting it so I could reply. Sorry, I’m OCD about shit.) It really means a lot when someone whose work I love likes mine, or at least lies about it.

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[info]moondarri
2009-03-31 09:25 am UTC (link)
uhh, okay, so this probably constitutes as major stalking, but hey, i'm de-lurking to say hi, so that makes it better, right?

basically, i didn't even consider that south park fanfiction existed (which was naive of me; if it's on tv or the internet, then there's fanfiction of it) until my sister linked me in delighted hysterics to a crappily-made kyle/cartman youtube fanvid which i watched several times just to get used to the mindfuckery that a fandom existed for this. then i made it a personal mission of mine to locate the fanfiction, because i am nothing if not completely obsessed with the stuff.

okay, so i didn't find anything for a while, because my main fandom is bandom rps which is located mainly on livejournal, meaning i haven't ventured outside of that for quite some time. but, growing more adventurous, i decided to click around fanfiction.net a bit to see what i could find. which is where i found your - & foodstamp's - writing.

okay, okay, long story short, i read everything of yours i could find & then did a very stalkery search on livejournal to see if i could find you so that i could, basically, tell you directly how fucking good i think your writing is. i have been spoiled by the quality of writing in my other fandom, & was honestly expecting there to be a large amount of crap in this fandom, since the characters have such specific voices, & the programme is full of wit & humour & fast-paced dialogue & that shit is difficult to imitate. but you manage it surprisingly well, & make each of the characters instantly recognisable but without turning them into stereotypes. you really explore their personalities & the character dynamics wonderfully well, & the dialogue is fantastic.

i stayed up for a stupid amount of hours last night reading all eight chapters of the other table in one go, & i just felt compelled to seek you out & let you know. i just couldn't get that much enjoyment out of a fantastic piece of writing without letting the author know they were appreciated & admired.

so thankyou for sharing your writing & for saving me from the growing boredom of my current fandom (high quality writing is all well & good, but there is not enough wit & humour & sharp dialogue in that fandom, & i felt my life was sorely lacking it). i really hope that you update one or the other of your stories soon, because they are very much worth reading. very entertaining, very well written, very enjoyable.

keep writing; i'll be sticking around for updates, & i'm sorry if this out-of-the-blue, gushy, long-winded comment was a tad weird.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-03 06:11 am UTC (link)
Okay, we’re all internet stalkers. I am, totally. Hi hi. Listen, I should apologize for not replying to you immediately. I’m weird about replying. Also this comment was totally amazing and flattering and undue and I kind of don’t know what to say. But I’m going to try.

I think this fandom is really weird in that compared to other fandoms I’ve hung around it’s more transitional and more focused on fan art than writing. I don’t know what that is. I could go on and on about what I think about this fandom and shit but you probably don’t have time for that, so suffice to say that Foodstamp is great, isn’t she? I wish she’d update stuff. You’re in bandom primarily, yes? See, I often think SP has the opposite problem: Wicked, absurdist sense of humor a lot of the time, but the quality’s just not there. In the writing, anyway. For the most part. And I mean, for a show that’s been on since 1997 — which definitely falls into the period when fandom migrated to the internet — it seems that the entire fandom blossomed out of nowhere in 2006. It’s a really gay show, you know? You’d think people would have been slashing it from the beginning, but I can’t find any evidence that this happened.

Do you write or anything? If so, you should give fic a shot. Actually, you should give fic a shot anyway. I keep trying to manipulate people into writing and it rarely works.

Thank you thank you thank you for this wonderful comment. Seriously. There really truly are some times when I get kind of down on myself and start having lame emo thoughts that no one likes me and no one likes my fic and I should just cry about it. Because, really, I kind of work from the point that fandom and fan fiction are about sharing something you enjoy with other people and loving it collectively (or taking the damn piss out of it collectively, or making it even gayer than ever before collectively) so if no one likes your stupid fic, what’s the point? Isn’t the only real merit of writing fan fiction making other fans happy? And then I get a lovely comment like this and it’s all worthwhile. Thank you!

And don’t be sorry for anything. I’m so happy you commented. Feel free to friend me.

(And yeah, I’ll be updating all my stupid stories as soon as I can. I’m kind of lacking a beta right now. Sorry.)

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[info]moondarri
2009-04-03 10:22 am UTC (link)
do i write? huh. i like to think i do, considering i'm studying creative writing at the university of london, but when it comes to fanfiction i'm incredibly reticent & self-conscious. mostly because, like you say, if no one likes it, then what's the point? bandom is kind of huge, & some people receive three or four pages of comments on their writing, but i tend to struggle in my own anonymous corner of the internet writing shit that i think is meaningful but probably just comes off as pretentious. & i try to write for the sake of writing, or for the couple of friends who i know will read my stuff no matter what, but that doesn't mean i won't sometimes totally lose the will to write anything because i just want some kind of net-wide validation.

woah, sorry, that was totally self-indulgent. the point is, yeah, i delve in fanfiction (i have a separate writing lj, [Bad username: focusfixated"], because i'm vaguely paranoid like that) but i tend to stick more to fanart, just because there's not a lot of fanart in bandom, which means i can totally feel good about myself. like you say though, looks like the opposite is true in the south park fandom. that said, i posted some art only yesterday, & people seem to like it. i think people in bandom are just fucking lazy when it comes to commenting.

so yeah, i wish i could get involved with SP fanfiction, but like i said in my first comment, the kids' voices in the show are so specific (& like you said in your meta posts - because hi, internet stalker, i went & read everything on your lj - there's also the problem of aging their personalities convincingly if you're going to stick them in highschool or into the working world) it takes a damn lot of talent to pull that shit off. this is why bandom is easy on me - & a lot of people. the introspective nature of a lot of the characters, & the scope for fics about boys & girls being emo & heartbroken means that you can write stories that are entirely thought-driven, with very little dialogue or humour. & i'm not saying that it's a cop-out necessarily, or that that kind of fic isn't good, but the people who can write like that can rarely write a good bit of dialogue or an action sequence. myself totally included.

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[info]moondarri
2009-04-03 10:25 am UTC (link)
(ps, that was [info]focusfixated up there.)

the point is, anyway, that i understand the feelings of not being good enough, or of thinking "what's the point?" but frequently, the most underappreciated authors are my favourite ones, the ones who i think have really got something, & i have spent my time in bandom wisely collecting people to my f-list who are far from the fandom's 'celebrities', but who had something in their writing that really resonnated with me. something original & intriguing & inspiring. i know it's just stupid fanfiction, but writing is writing, & i do tend to base my level of interest in people on the way in which they write, even if it's just that their lj posts are witty & entertaining. & haha, without sounding too creepy, my level of interest in you is pretty high. so, hello, i'm going to add you if that's okay.

i'm really glad that you're continuing to write, despite the fact that this doesn't seem to be a hugely vocal fandom (from what i've seen). but man, if happiness was measured in lj comments, a lot of us would be damn miserable. this is why i had to track your lj down to say "hi! good job!" because so many people lurk, & while it's nice to assume that people are appareciating your work, it's so much nicer to be told. so, seriously, i meant what i said. fantastic writing, really refreshing in style, sharp dialogue & thorough characterisations. & i meant to say, too, about the other table - it's been a long time since i read a story with a protagonist who was so objectionable in his behaviour, your kyle is a screeching little bitch & i hate him. but in the way where i'm completely hooked by his totally unreliable, selfish narrative. & i think it's awesome how you've pulled that off so far.

woo~ okay. i seem to do this a lot. go all gushy over total strangers. but never mind. yeah, friending if that's okay, & ima watch your scraps community too, because i really enjoyed reading what was over there.

&&&& hey, if you fail at finding an adequate beta, i don't mind volunteering? i mean, i realise you know little about me & my literary ~skillz~ but if you can't find anyone else... the offer's there, anyhow.

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Re: comment part deux
[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-06 04:31 am UTC (link)
Don’t call fan fiction stupid! I love fan fiction! OMG. Um. Look, I’m totally an internet stalker. Like, aren’t we all? I guess I should tell you this is seriously a fandom journal, truly, like I’m not going to write anything about my life unless, say, someone tags me to do some meme and then I guess you’ll get to find out my favorite kind of ice cream or whatever. But, otherwise, hello, I'm glad to meet you. Pull up a chair. Have some tea.

It can be a very vocal fandom. It just really depends on a lot of random shit I haven’t entirely figured out the key to understanding. Okay, here I’m just going to get lazy and copy and paste shit:

but man, if happiness was measured in lj comments, a lot of us would be damn miserable.

True! Amazing.

this is why i had to track your lj down to say "hi! good job!" because so many people lurk, & while it's nice to assume that people are appareciating your work, it's so much nicer to be told.

And I really, really appreciate it. Really. You’re awesome for letting me know. And for, like, caring and shit.

it's been a long time since i read a story with a protagonist who was so objectionable in his behaviour, your kyle is a screeching little bitch & i hate him. but in the way where i'm completely hooked by his totally unreliable, selfish narrative. & i think it's awesome how you've pulled that off so far.

I guess pulling it off is up for discussion, because a couple of people have outright told me that Kyle is obnoxious in this story and they don’t want to read about him, and it’s pretty much character defamation, even if I think it’s not a bad extrapolation of how he could turn out to be. I thought it would be interesting, and here’s where I turn into a bad author, because I feel like a douchebag just saying ‘thank you’ over and over but I seriously appreciate it and am flattered that you like my weird little stories.

I friended back! And I love that scraps community. I just wish Foodstamp would post more.

Hey, I might try it. If I wanted to send you a pretty short chapter of something, would you be game? I don’t know that it would be right now, but I tend to write really long shit, so maybe it’s only fair to send you shorter (like, 2,000 to 5,000-word range?) stuff? I really need a beta.

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Re: comment part deux
[info]moondarri
2009-04-06 11:47 am UTC (link)
ahaha, no, i know, i'd be such a hypocrite if i really thought fanfiction was stupid or pointless. i'm probably the worst english lit student ever, because i fail so hard at reading books (to be fair, the range of literature assigned to us this first year has been horribly uninspiring, so i blame the course rather than my inability to stay focused) but i'll spend the majority of my time aimlessly wandering the fandom reading ridiculous amounts of fanfiction. & okay, if i tried to justify the worth of fanfiction to my uni professors or even fellow classmates, they'd probably all be scandalised & kick me out. but to me, fanfiction is a totally worthwhile writing practice. obviously it's not the same as building your own universe in original fiction, but there is still a skill necessary to make it good, you still need to have an understanding of character & time & place. & the internet is such a great tool for receiving feedback & finding your voice in your own writing, practicing techniques & really, trying things out, because there are so few rules. i just wish more of the really good fanfiction authors managed to get published, because i've read some stuff that was really incredible & beautiful & ought to be recognised.

haha, thanks. nice to meet you too. i look forward to the day when i find out what your favourite kind of ice cream is. i'm now gonna get on board with copy-pasting deal.

And for, like, caring and shit.

woo~ yeah, i do totally care & shit. it's like. if an author has a trillion "YAYYY" comments on their story, it seems pointless for me to add another yay to the mass. but if i see a story that is sadly underrated, or hasn't received the kind of feedback it deserves, because it was a story that was way ~deep & the readers apparently didn't get that, then i'll make sure to work twice as hard to give really good feedback & to be that person who makes the author feel like s/he's doing something worthwhile, because i know i appreciate it when someone does that for me. it's just... nice, you know?

a couple of people have outright told me that Kyle is obnoxious in this story and they don’t want to read about him

which is a fair enough point, i guess, because he is kind of - well, yeah. a screeching little bitch. but see, i was talking to my sister about this (yeahh, i have ~conversations with my sister about this kind of thing) - & i don't know how you feel about harry potter or if you've read it or whatever, but i kind of hated mostly everything that happened after the first four books, mostly because as soon as the fifth book came out, harry became this antagonistic, self-centred, obnoxious little shit who i could barely stand. (& jk rowling fucked with my canon. i find it hard to forgive her.) the thing is, i never thought about it in the "god, the author wrote a character who really sucks" sense. it was always "god, harry really fucking sucks". as if he were a separate entity, existing outside of the author's creation. i couldn't stand him as a character, but that didn't mean that i thought he was an example of bad writing, or that i didn't want to read his story anymore. on the contrary, i think it's kind of fascinating to read a story from the point of view of such an antagonistic protagonist with such a narrow, unreliable perspective on things. why should narrators be heroes we adore? i understand why it's difficult for people to read (& your kyle did have me clawing at my face in frustration because goddamn, why so fucking obnoxious, kyle? but again, in my head, it's like he's doing those things of his own accord, & i'm mad at him as a person, rather than at you for making him so annoying, you know?) but. i don't know. maybe i'm getting a bit too deep into this, but i really enjoyed being pushed, as a reader, into following a story from someone so completely objectionable.

If I wanted to send you a pretty short chapter of something, would you be game?

hellz yeah, go for it. i really enjoy betaing, & i've kind of got a lot of time on my hands, so. whenever you've got something & you wanna email it to me, i'm elliemoondarri [at] googlemail [dot] com.

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Re: comment part deux
[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-08 06:32 pm UTC (link)
& okay, if i tried to justify the worth of fanfiction to my uni professors or even fellow classmates, they'd probably all be scandalised & kick me out.

I would love to read an amazing dissertation about fan fiction. I think it has a very clear place in modern reading habits and is worthy of study. In fact, I’ve read academic papers that have incorporated fan fiction. So, really, it all depends on how you approach it. I’ve had ideas about how to do this, but it’s not the field I’m in so I’ll have to waste my time writing a thesis on fan fic another day.

it's not the same as building your own universe in original fiction, but there is still a skill necessary to make it good, you still need to have an understanding of character & time & place. & the internet is such a great tool for receiving feedback & finding your voice in your own writing, practicing techniques & really, trying things out, because there are so few rules.

Yes, yes, yes — a thousand times yes to all of this. It’s a totally different skill set. It’s something I’ve discussed with Foodstamp over and over again — what makes fan fiction valid, what makes it different from regular fiction. It’s a careful science and art of learning how to balance someone else’s creations with your own abilities. I think that’s why I love it, or other people love it — it’s the familiar, with just enough of the unfamiliar to make it titillating.

i just wish more of the really good fanfiction authors managed to get published, because i've read some stuff that was really incredible & beautiful & ought to be recognised.

To be fair, though, I think I’m okay at writing fan fiction, and wouldn’t be able to write original fiction with all the help in the world. Creating characters and worlds and knowing what to do with preexisting characters and worlds are two different sports.

i look forward to the day when i find out what your favourite kind of ice cream is.

Coffee.

but if i see a story that is sadly underrated, or hasn't received the kind of feedback it deserves, because it was a story that was way ~deep & the readers apparently didn't get that, then i'll make sure to work twice as hard to give really good feedback & to be that person who makes the author feel like s/he's doing something worthwhile, because i know i appreciate it when someone does that for me. it's just... nice, you know?

Yeah, again, I don’t know how many times I can say this, probably a million, but I wish more than anything that I understood the perplexing system of rating fan fiction — like, why certain things are popular and certain things are not. I know it’s got something to do with quality, because I’ve seen really good shit get the right attention, but I’ve seen really bad shit get the same kind of attention, and I wish I knew why that was.

By the way, I am not shy about getting honest criticism, and I hope if you ever do read something of mine that deserves bad feedback, you’ll throw that in, too.

i don't know how you feel about harry potter or if you've read it or whatever
!!!

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[info]moondarri
2009-04-09 10:59 am UTC (link)
I would love to read an amazing dissertation about fan fiction

not going to lie, i have seriously considered doing this in third year, considering it's the area of creative writing & reading with which i'm the most heavily involved. & it's completely fascinating! It’s a careful science and art of learning how to balance someone else’s creations with your own abilities. exactly! there is so fucking much that could be researched & analysed & rambled about when it comes to the art of fanfiction. it's like - the difference between writing a short story & a novel. one isn't necessarily more worthy as a piece of writing than the other, because they require a completely different set of skills. which is what makes fanfiction a 'worthy' writing practice - you have to be good at manipulating the canon without making the universe unrecognisable, & although the characters already exists, they have to act according to their established characteristics, etc etc. that shit takes skills to do it right. hence the fact that there is some really bad fanfic out there.

!!!

ahaha. hem. stupid question?

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-10 10:11 pm UTC (link)
not going to lie, i have seriously considered doing this in third year, considering it's the area of creative writing & reading with which i'm the most heavily involved. & it's completely fascinating!

If you do, let me know! I would love to read it. Or hear about it. Whatever you’re comfortable with.

you have to be good at manipulating the canon without making the universe unrecognisable, & although the characters already exists, they have to act according to their established characteristics, etc etc. that shit takes skills to do it right. hence the fact that there is some really bad fanfic out there.

It is so interesting how people manage (or, more often, don’t manage) to maintain some semblance of SP-iness in things. You know what, it’s very different from other fandoms I’m used to in that despite being a very odd place where anything can happen, South Park is actually just in the real world, so you can legitimately have a plot about the boys going to high school without it being anachronistic and all “WTF, why are the hobbits going to high school?” I kind of think that attracted me to the fandom. Among other things.

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Re: comment part deux
[info]moondarri
2009-04-12 02:33 am UTC (link)
i have little more to add to this except:

why are the hobbits going to high school?

clearly, i have been around the internet long enough to realise that anything that can be thought of will appear in fanfiction. but for some reason, highschool hobbit AUs had not crossed my mind. oh dear lord.

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Re: comment part deux
[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-12 02:37 am UTC (link)
The best fan art I ever saw possibly ever was of the four hobbits sitting on a train. Frodo was for some reason very classy, and Merry and Pippin were dressed up, like, wiggers. On, 2004. The inexplicable fan art you brought into my life. It was my goal to write an AU about them going to high school, and yet these things were never realized.

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Re: comment part deux
[info]moondarri
2009-04-12 02:54 am UTC (link)
wiggers? (am clearly not down with the lingo.)

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Re: comment part deux
[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-12 02:56 am UTC (link)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wigger

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-08 06:33 pm UTC (link)
but i kind of hated mostly everything that happened after the first four books, mostly because as soon as the fifth book came out, harry became this antagonistic, self-centred, obnoxious little shit who i could barely stand.

Hey, have you ever read Mike Smith’s HP book reviews? Just wondering.

I actually think this extends past Harry – practically every (“good”) character in the series was not just incredibly flawed, but despicable. The couple who weren’t were usually incompetent, or defamed in the final volume. On the other hand, the “evil” characters tended to be somewhat more charismatic, or at least more appealing to read about because they tended to actually do things rather than do nothing and continue to discuss the ways in which they might or might not do anything or nothing for seven months.

the thing is, i never thought about it in the "god, the author wrote a character who really sucks" sense. it was always "god, harry really fucking sucks". as if he were a separate entity, existing outside of the author's creation.

You know what, I have actually had a lot of questions about this mentality,k because you’re far from the only person who feels that way about Harry, and it brings to mind issues of authorial ownership, especially in an incomplete series of novels, and especially when faced with an indomitable online (and offline) fandom.

i think it's kind of fascinating to read a story from the point of view of such an antagonistic protagonist with such a narrow, unreliable perspective on things. why should narrators be heroes we adore?

In my defense, not that I need to defend myself from anything here, I didn’t create my own obnoxious character; I’m basically debasing the protagonist of someone else’s TV show.

why so fucking obnoxious, kyle?

Because no one ever tried to get him not to be. Because the people he wants attention from respond to him like this. Up to a point. I know a lot of people don’t want to read about that, but that’s how real life is.

whenever you've got something & you wanna email it to me, i'm elliemoondarri [at] googlemail [dot] com.

Thank you! I will. Keep that in mind. I’m weird about figuring out what needs to be edited and when to post things, but I’m really apprehensive about not having someone else look over something, if only for typos. You know?

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[info]moondarri
2009-04-09 11:24 am UTC (link)
man, these comments are going all over the place. XD

have you ever read Mike Smith’s HP book reviews?

noo, ought i?

it's strange, with harry potter - it being my first fandom & all, i'm pretty damn fond of the universe & all the fun i had playing in it. but like i said, it was downhill after book four for me. i didn't really think to analyse that in any great way, though, because i started reading the books when i was much younger, so i thought maybe my waning appreciation of the books was just because i was growing up & losing interest. but. maybe some of it is a mark of poor writing, bad characterisation, like you said. i mean. i always thought that the best part of the stories was the universe in which they took place, rather than the stories themselves. hence the fandom being so much fun.

huh, sorry, that really wasn't going anywhere. i'm just thinking aloud. or thinking as i type, whatever. i've never really analysed the books from an objective literary standpoint. mostly i just got increasingly frustrated with the series because it was going all wrong. i think maybe it's got something to do with being in the fandom, though? during the gaps between the books being published, you build up your own personal canon, read all this fanfiction that explores all the possible complexities of the characters, then the book comes out - in your head, hermione's this awesome, strong, clever character, but really she just cries & whines a lot & you just think no. jkr, you're doing it wrong.

yeahh. that was really not as coherent as i wanted it to be. wish i could explain what i was thinking better, but brain functions are low this morning. =/

I’m really apprehensive about not having someone else look over something, if only for typos

typos, i can do typos. don't feel forced to send me anything at all, though. but if you just need a quick look-over something for glaring inconsistensies, well. like i said, i have time on my hands. kind of wish i didn't have so much of it, actually, but there you go.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-12 01:44 am UTC (link)
man, these comments are going all over the place. XD

It’s cool, homes.

noo, ought i?

Hell yes! Provided you’re cool with HP bashing. livejournal.com/users/mike-smith. OMG SO GOOD. Check under his tags for book titles.

i always thought that the best part of the stories was the universe in which they took place, rather than the stories themselves. hence the fandom being so much fun.

I’ve definitely heard that from a lot of people. Basically I think the books became more popular than anyone really expected, and while I don’t doubt that JKR spent some time thinking about what would happen to her characters in the future, I’m not really sure she was planning on writing this seven-book series with the kind of drawn-out plot she described having in mind. The earliest two books are charming, but they really don’t read like they’re part of a larger story, and the format she established — an entire school year — isn’t conducive to the way the later books unfold. Likewise, the concept of internet fandom, and how it could have an impact on an in-progress series of novels, wasn’t entirely established in 1997.

in your head, hermione's this awesome, strong, clever character, but really she just cries & whines a lot & you just think no. jkr, you're doing it wrong.

I actually really dislike Hermione, and what bothers me about her most is that she’s supposedly the JKR stand-in character.

typos, i can do typos. don't feel forced to send me anything at all, though. but if you just need a quick look-over something for glaring inconsistensies, well. like i said, i have time on my hands. kind of wish i didn't have so much of it, actually, but there you go.

Wait, no, this sounds like more work for you and awesome for me. Did you give me your e-mail address? I can’t remember.

Okay, wait, let’s stop and do this: I’m really sorry it took me like eight years to finish three responses. Sorry. I need to get better with replying in a timely manner.

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[info]moondarri
2009-04-12 02:31 am UTC (link)
Provided you’re cool with HP bashing

no worries. i take a strange pleasure in ripping on things i love. if they deserve it, of course. dunno - the books are obviously flawed, but growing up with them etc etc, they gave me some good times.

the concept of internet fandom

a concept that boggles the mind. because it's so recent, in the scheme of things, you know? but it's an inextricable part of my every day life. can't really conceive of not existing on the internet & taking part in this madness.

I actually really dislike Hermione

fair enough. i think jkr did her a great disservice later in the series, though. guess i liked her at the beginning because i was exactly that kid at school, with the really bad bushy hair & the buck-teeth & the books. clearly, i am so much cooler now. (idk, that's a lie.)

this sounds like more work for you and awesome for me

i could do with work. & yeah, email address was: elliemoondarri [at] googlemail [dot] com. but like i said, don't feel forced, either. i'm just here, hangin' out on the other side of the internet for whenever you feel like sending anything.

I need to get better with replying in a timely manner

seriously, it's no problem. i'm sure you have things to do in life outside this conversation. & it's not like it's anything pressing. a chat about the art of fanfiction. interesting, sure, but not pressing. but i have to say thanks for taking the time to comment back at all - you seem pretty awesome & interesting, & - yeah.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-12 02:41 am UTC (link)
the books are obviously flawed, but growing up with them etc etc, they gave me some good times.

Good times, bad times, WTF times.

a concept that boggles the mind. because it's so recent, in the scheme of things, you know? but it's an inextricable part of my every day life. can't really conceive of not existing on the internet & taking part in this madness.

Which is why it's so weird to internalize that the internet we know and love today wasn't really around until, oh, I don't know, let's say, like, 2003 to be fair. I've actually only just realized that the internet HP phenom could really only have sprung up after they became popular on their own merits.

i could do with work. & yeah, email address was: elliemoondarri [at] googlemail [dot] com. but like i said, don't feel forced, either. i'm just here, hangin' out on the other side of the internet for whenever you feel like sending anything.

What the hell, maybe I'll send you something tonight. Like, just 'cause.

i'm sure you have things to do in life outside this conversation.

Eh, kind of. Really the question is, why not go get a diet coke from the fridge right now?

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[info]moondarri
2009-04-12 03:01 am UTC (link)
god, 2003, i know right? like, remember the days when your life didn't centre around refreshing websites & aimlessly surfing? i dunno what the hell i did with my time.

send away. it's 4am on my side of things, i'll get on it at some point on the other end of morning.

um. i have no idea what the right answer to that question is. i guess there isn't one.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-12 03:02 am UTC (link)
Oh my god, I still haven't gotten my diet coke. Excuse me.

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[info]moondarri
2009-04-12 03:03 am UTC (link)
well, you know. when the diet coke calls.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-06 04:14 am UTC (link)
Oh my god, the University of London!! Hey, do you know where I used to hang out sometimes? ULU. I automatically like you. Way to be. … All right, I’ve never read your shit, but how do you know no one will like your fic if you don’t try? I don’t mean to pressure you, but I am dying for someone to write pretentious fandom literature that moves me the way a really good book would, only about South Park. I’m not saying no one does, but when I meet someone else who seems to understand this, I get kind of excited.

And that wasn’t self-indulgent. I think I asked if you wrote, no? People in SP tend to write good, long reviews and have nice conversations! Sometimes. Oh, people tend to go on and off. I don’t know, it’s an oddly transitional fandom. Stick around and check us out. I’m sorry to say that the closest I’ve ever been to bandom was in like 2006 when a lot of people on DA were doing American Idiot or Green Day fan art. Which was cool, if a little confusing. Well, I guess I used to read LOTR RPS, which is a similar idea only for actors, not bands.

I’ve actually always wanted to read SP RPS, by the way.

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[info]moondarri
2009-04-06 11:02 am UTC (link)
ack, seriously, i'm not even being modest or self-deprecating whatever, but considering i avoid writing dialogue like the plague & am the least witty person i know, the chances of me writing decent south park fanfiction at the moment are slim. what drew me to your & foodstamp's writing (not that i've read a great deal else - i feel like i've spoilt myself for SP fic now, because everything else i have half-heartedly clicked on doesn't really compare) was your grasp of a solid story and the kind of concise, relevant narrative with just enough feeling to make it emotionally involving, but also enough action & dialogue to ensure it didn't stagnate in its own self-indulgent introspection. unfortunately, self-indulgent introspection is my forte (i'm a poet at heart, i guess) & i'm trying hard to move away from that & learn how to write an actual story with actual plot. & until i get good at that, i'm pretty wary about besmirching this fandom with painfully bad fiction. & i don't know how well my 'room with a view with a staircase & a pond' kind of writing would work in this fandom.

haha, ohman, i can't believe the amount of thought & importance i am placing on the quality of fanfiction. but it is important! fanfiction is still writing, & there's no real excuse for it being crap. unless you're learning. (because everyone's fandomly days started out writing angsty songfics about self-harm, right? right....?)

i do plan to stick around. 'specially if people are into long reviews & conversations. like i said, bandom is a fucking lazy fandom, because it's so popular, there's so much fanfiction about, it's very easy to leave a quick "awesome! :DDD" or just save the link & not bother providing feedback. although i don't think a lot of people who write are necessarily into it for the concrit or reviews, but more for the happy faces & OMGHEARTS!! because it's just a bit of fun. obviously, i prefer the stupidly long conversations & deconstructions, & it's sorely lacking in that fandom, which makes me sad.

rps is a strange thing, because it's so easy to become pretty creeped out by the idea of real people, but once you get into the practice of compartmentalising, viewing the people as characters who share traits with their real life counterparts but are essentially fandom constructions based on the personas that are presented through interviews etc, then you quickly ease out of the creepiness. at least, that's how i see it, heh. still, it's kind of refreshing to dabble in a fandom of non-real people, because there are fewer reservations to gnaw at my conscience. but SP RPS would be fucking genius. i would read the shit out of that.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-08 06:13 am UTC (link)
I’ve given up not trying to cut and paste. Your writing is too intelligent for me to handle making a coherent non-lazy reply.

what drew me to your & foodstamp's writing (not that i've read a great deal else - i feel like i've spoilt myself for SP fic now, because everything else i have half-heartedly clicked on doesn't really compare) was your grasp of a solid story and the kind of concise, relevant narrative with just enough feeling to make it emotionally involving, but also enough action & dialogue to ensure it didn't stagnate in its own self-indulgent introspection.

Oh, thank you. But, I actually pulled that quote because I’m going to offer to send you some recommendations if you like. I just wasted my precious time making a list of some the other day, so I could forward it to you. It might not be things you’ll actually like, but whatever. I’m not the pope of good taste.

i don't know how well my 'room with a view with a staircase & a pond' kind of writing would work in this fandom.

If I had the formula for what made things popular in this fandom I’d be way more popular and stop spending my nights weeping over how no one loves my precious precious fan fic wahhhhhh. But let me just say, a) the first part of that sketch is brilliant, and b) I myself am a big fan of that type of narrative. Again, not trying to pressure you into writing. Just saying. (I think I’m writing one of those myself, anyway. That’s how much I like the whole overblown British thing.)

fanfiction is still writing, & there's no real excuse for it being crap. unless you're learning. (because everyone's fandomly days started out writing angsty songfics about self-harm, right? right....?)

Well, no. But I do think there needs to be an upward trajectory. I applaud all improvements, regardless of whether the story is my personal cup of tea.

rps is a strange thing, because it's so easy to become pretty creeped out by the idea of real people, but once you get into the practice of compartmentalising, viewing the people as characters who share traits with their real life counterparts but are essentially fandom constructions based on the personas that are presented through interviews etc, then you quickly ease out of the creepiness. at least, that's how i see it, heh.

Yeah, that makes sense. Seriously, though. When people put themselves out in the public eye they do a certain amount of image-creation. I liked to read LOTR fic way back when, and LOTR RPS was huge, and to my knowledge is still somewhat more popular and mobile as a fandom than it has any right to be. Long story short, part of what got the whole thing going -- no matter how creepy the idea of writing honest-to-god porn about those people was – was the way the actors in the films consciously interacted with each other and fed into the fandom personas that they knew were being created. They talked up all the stories about running around New Zealand together causing mayhem and being, well, this isn’t a word, but … fic-able. Part of what fuels this is a conscious decision on the part of the public figure, whoever he is, to feed into the system. … Sometimes.

but SP RPS would be fucking genius. i would read the shit out of that.

I mourn its lack every day.

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[info]moondarri
2009-04-09 10:51 am UTC (link)
a reclist would be fucking great. any genre, any pairing, anything. i'm pretty easy. thanks. :)

If I had the formula for what made things popular in this fandom I’d be way more popular

yeahh. it's weird. some stuff gets totally undue attention, but i've read some really great things, that are not necessarily fluff or porn, get the attention they deserve. oh - that's another thing about bandom that gets really boring really quickly. that fandom has way too much porn. sometimes it's slightly creepy. most of the time, it's just boring. you're reading a perfectly good story & then there's three pages of explicit pornographic detail completely unrelated to character or plot development & it's just. really boring. /o\

Part of what fuels this is a conscious decision on the part of the public figure, whoever he is, to feed into the system

yes! true! ohman, i miss lotr rps. i didn't ever get into the fandom, & wasn't even much on the internet back then, but watching the making of dvds & getting all ~handwavey~ about billy boyd & dom monaghan's antics was, essentially, fannish activity. & yeah, they fed into the system.

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[info]sekrit_omg
2009-04-09 07:02 pm UTC (link)
a reclist would be fucking great. any genre, any pairing, anything. i'm pretty easy. thanks. :)

Okay, I’ve got an incomplete one from a couple of days ago. Really I should write a longer one. Standby on that. Actually, what’s your e-mail?

but i've read some really great things, that are not necessarily fluff or porn, get the attention they deserve.

I would love to know what else you’ve been reading, just kind of out of curiosity.

that fandom has way too much porn. sometimes it's slightly creepy. most of the time, it's just boring. you're reading a perfectly good story & then there's three pages of explicit pornographic detail completely unrelated to character or plot development & it's just. really boring.

I really enjoy porn that enhances the plot or characters. Actually, porn is its own genre of writing, I guess more properly called erotica, and can be really effective when done well. And I don’t just mean because it’s porn. But yeah, I get you; explicitness for no practical purpose is tiring.

& yeah, they fed into the system.

OMG MONABOYD THEIR LOVE IS SO … gross. Personally I was always kind of a sucker for Domlijah. Anything with Viggo was automatically hilarious. What a freaking amazingly fucked-up fandom. Those people were epic. They’re supposedly still bringing it, as far as I know.

Did you read The Misadventures of Sir Ian the Gay?

ETA like six times to fix coding.


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[info]moondarri
2009-04-12 02:51 am UTC (link)
Standby on that. Actually, what’s your e-mail

standing. & the address was elliemoondarri [at] googlemail [dot] com. & thanks in advance dude.

I would love to know what else you’ve been reading, just kind of out of curiosity.

you mean fanfiction-wise, in other fandoms? because i spent about six to eight months of my life last year reading two or three fics every day, 'cos the fandom was churning them out so fast. quality was dubious in places, but there was a lot of good stuff, & it would make an epically long list.

I really enjoy porn that enhances the plot or characters

i've had some pretty awesome conversations with people about different characters' sexual practices - i don't mean in an 'omg that would be hot' kind of way (i still don't get how two authors can write porny chatfic together without feeling really, really awkward, but hey, to each his own) but in the way that it's really fascinating how much that kind of thing can say about a person. in a way, it's essential character exploration, just like understanding how a person speaks or dresses or interacts with other people. i know some fanfiction authors who put a lot of thought into that side of things, & it shows how well they know their characters.

They’re supposedly still bringing it, as far as I know

really? man, i used to follow their progress obsessively over the film release period, maybe for a year afterwards too, but i don't really know what's going on there any more. haha, i remember a bandom fic i read a while back, an AU where one of the bands, can't remember which, were trying to get signed & they managed to land a deal with elijah wood & his label. there was a whole bit with him & i think it was orlando bloom gaying it up, & - idk, it was a pretty average fic, but it really took me by surprise to have those guys in it, having not read lotr rps for years (& even then, not much). funny, though, how the orlando/elijah kind of weirded me out, but i'm completely desensitised to the weirdness of the bands in rps. *shrug*

Did you read The Misadventures of Sir Ian the Gay?

i have no idea what this is. but it sounds intriguing.

lol coding.

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[info]adoxography_tea
2009-12-19 09:41 am UTC (link)
AWESOME! On my way to the next chapter!

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